Is banning Islam the way to go?

To ban Islam is the most natural way to go
(Reader comment on article: Trouble in Londonistan
in response to reader comment: Root cause of Muslims’ problems
Submitted by Alain Jean-Mairet (Switzerland), Jul 19, 2006 at 06:17)

As soon as you clearly see what Islamic laws do mean – wars against all people who refuse to bow to Islam, religious hatred and segregation, mutilations and collective murder in public places, systematic slavery – you understand that the thing must be banned. This simple fact is confirmed even by a fully politically correct institution like the European Court of Human Rights (this judgment is also presented and explained, in French, on precaution.ch).

The problem is just political.

For most people, and for many Muslims, too, Islam is a normal religion, that is, a good thing, a guide in life, a way to live according to the will of a good and merciful god. And that is not supposed to be questioned. And if it is questioned nevertheless, most people think that you can interpret the sacred texts at will, and find there the best just as well as the worst.

But the latter isn’t true. The best effort ever to interpret Islam’s sacred texts was that of jurists, elaborating the Islamic laws (Sharia). They formed several colleges (madhahib) where all members had to know the Koran and most hadiths by heart for discussing them. They debated for a long time, of all possible matters treated in the Islamic scriptures.

They did disagree on many details. But they fully agreed on jihad being a war of conquest, waged against all infidels until Islam reigns supreme. They did agree too on dhimma, being an inferior, humiliating statute for “people of the book”, as they wanted to label believers of other monotheist faiths. They did agree on most hudud, punishments for violations of the claims of God (huquq Allah) which is why adultery still can be punished by stoning (collective murder with the help of the public) in Islam. They did agree on slavery being a totally normal statute for servants, concubines, workers of all kinds.

One really can doubt whether it is possible to conclude anything else than what those men agreed upon, in separate colleges, soaked in different basic cultures, without consultation nor hardly any political affinities beyond the belonging to Islam.

But fact is, those laws didn’t, don’t and won’t do. They have to be changed or abandoned. So the question is just how?

Obviously, only Muslims can gather and decide that their sacred laws have changed. They have to be encouraged to do so. That means encouraging the learning and questioning of those laws and their basis, and debating some ways to reform them. Within Islam, it is a religious procedure, as those laws are supposed to be divine. I guess it must be done in Mecca or so. But without Islam, the most natural form of encouraging that process is to forbid Islam as long as its laws will stay “incompatible with the democratic regime” (point 25 of the ECHR judgement).

The mere effort, successful or not, towards the banning of Islam based on those reflections will foster the reconsidering of Islamic laws, will awake Westerners to the danger of Islam at large and will strengthen the position of Muslims reformers, within and without Islam.

That’s why, in a nutshell, banning Islam is the way to go. Until it will be reformed.

Now Muslims clash with cops in South Africa

Feb 24 2009 1:19AM
Muslims in clash with cops
Nivashni Nair, Published:Feb 16, 2009

TENSIONS between local Muslims and the Port Shepstone municipal police have reached fever pitch — a well-known Muslim businessman was arrested and allegedly “treated like a terrorist” for double-parking outside the town’s mosque on Friday.

Local Muslims have vowed to ensure that the Hibiscus Coast Protection Services officer involved is disciplined.

Husain Motala, 30, who says he spent four hours in police cells after he was arrested for double parking, claims a white officer, whose name is known to The Times, told him that “Muslims think that we have too much money so we can do what we want, but he was going to get us”.

The t rouble began when Motala double-parked his car outside the mosque during Friday prayers as he was unable to find a space.

“When I came out , I saw that the officer had given me a ticket for double-parking. I then heard him radio other officers telling them to focus the CCTV camera on the scene because things were going to get out of hand. I identified myself and apologised for double-parking,” said Motala.

Motala was then told that the car would be impounded.

He said the officer then insulted him and called in back-up of 12 police vehicles and 35 traffic officers, and closed the road.

“Others had now begun to come out of the mosque and tried to intervene, but the officer began pushing them. I did not even touch or speak to the officer badly,” Motala said.

A tow-truck driver was arrested for “obstructing justice” after allegedly refusing to remove Motala’s car because it was not abandoned .

Motala was also charged with assaulting a police officer, defeating the ends of justice, causing an obstruction to traffic, inciting violence and resisting arrest.

Motala and the tow-truck driver were given bail of R5000 each and will appear in court today.

Motala plans to sue the officer for defamation and racism.

Community leader Ismail Asmal said local Muslims were “very angry”.

They are pledging money for Motala’s defence.

Victor Chetty, head of the Hibiscus Coast Protection Services, was unavailable for comment.

A spokeswoman for the KwaZulu-Natal police, Director Phindile Radebe, confirmed that Motala was arrested and that he had been charged.

Mumbai terror: Two Indian Muslims played key role

Mumbai attacks: Two Indians played ‘key role’

Feb 26, 2009

Mumbai The 26/11 terror attacks would not have been possible without the inputs and assistance provided by the two Indian accused, Faheem Ansari and Sabauddin, according to the chargesheet filed in the case.

Faheem and Sabauddin have been arrested for conducting recce of the city prior to the November 26 attacks and giving information, including maps, to the operatives of Pakistan-based terror outfit Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT).

The two were first arrested by Uttar Pradesh Police for a terror attack on a CRPF camp in January 2008.

The 11,280 page-chargesheet was filed by Mumbai Police in a Mumbai court on Wednesday.

According to the document, Faheem conducted detailed reconnaissance of the targeted locations and submitted information and maps to Sabauddin, ‘a very important’ functionary of the LeT in India.

Sabauddin, in turn, got in touch with LeT commanders and wanted accused in the case, Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi and Abu Kaahfa and passed on the information, it said.

“During the last phase of training of the ten terrorists in Pakistan, Kaahfa had shown them the maps of the locations. On being questioned about the authenticity and accuracy of the maps, Kaahfa informed them that the maps had been meticulously prepared by Faheem and Sabauddin,” the bulky chargesheet said.

It further said Lakhvi handed over the maps of the targeted locations to the attackers before they left Karachi for Mumbai.

“It was these maps and directions which enabled lone surviving terrorist, Mohammad Ajmal Amir Kasab, and the nine dead terrorists to arrive with absolute precision at the targeted locations and comprehend the topography and lay out of the targets.”

Faheem and Sabauddin had been arrested in January 2008 for the attack on CRPF camp at Rampur, Uttar Pradesh. The duo’s custody was taken by the Mumbai Crime Branch in December 2008 in the terror attack here. They are currently in judicial custody.

Kasab, Faheem and Sabauddin are the arrested accused named in the chargesheet which is dominated by names of LeT operatives. Thirty-five Pakistan nationals have been shown as wanted accused.

The terrorists had targeted locations like Chhatrapti Shivaji Terminus (CST), Hotels Taj and Trident, Nariman House and Cafe Leopold during the three-day mayhem.

26/11 Mumbai terror calls traced to Pak serving colonel, R Sadatullah

26/11 calls traced to Pak serving colonel

26 Feb 2009, 0034 hrs IST, C Unnikrishnan, S Ahmed Ali & Kartikeya, TNN

MUMBAI: The VoIP (Voice Over Internet Protocol) calls made by the 26/11 terrorists to their handlers have been traced to a serving colonel of the Pakistani army, investigations have revealed.

Although the 11,509-page chargesheet in the 26/11 case filed by the Mumbai police on Wednesday does not spell this out explicitly, it does name the officer as Colonel R Sadatullah from the SCO.

The SCO, army sources say, stands for Special Communications Organization, a telecommunications agency of the Pakistani government which is run by officers from the army’s signals corps and operates only in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir and the conflict-wracked Northern Areas.

During the 58-hour siege of Mumbai, a total of 284 calls, running into 995 minutes, were made by the terrorists using mobile phones from the Taj Mahal hotel, Oberoi-Trident and Nariman House to their handlers in Pakistan. They took the minutest of instructions from their handlers sitting in Pakistan. The Pak-based co-conspirators also gave their agents in Mumbai pep talks to keep them going.

The chargesheet says that the calls which were made over VoIP — a cheap way of making international calls using the net — were traced back to an IP address created with Callphonex, a VoIP service provider based in New Jersey, USA.

The payments for this were made by opening an account in the name of Kharak Singh from India. However, the payments to this account were made on two occasions by wire transfer through MoneyGram and Western Union Money Transfer by two Pakistani nationals, Javed Iqbal and Mohammed Ishtiaq.

These two, while communicating with Callphonex, used the e-mail id kharak_telco@yahoo.com. This e-mail id was accessed from at least 10 IP addresses, says the chargesheet. One of them, 118.107.140.138, belongs to Col R Sadatullah whose official address is SCO, Qasim Rd, Rawalpindi, Pakistan. Sadatullah’s official e-mail id is pmit@sco.gov.pk, which police say is the official e-mail service for all SCO officers.

One of the wanted accused is `Major General sahab’ whose name crops up repeatedly in the taped conversation between the terrorists and their handlers. Incidentally, the general manager of SCO happens to be Major General Muhammad Khalid Rao, who joined the Signals Corps in 1979.

Asked about the involvement of the Pakistani army, joint commissioner (crime) Rakesh Maria said, “We are looking into the involvement of two army personnel, who could be supposedly serving or retired.”

The chargesheet is against 38 persons, 35 of them yet to be apprehended. The three who are in police custody include the lone Pakistani terror operative caught alive, Ajmal Amir Kasab, and two Indians, Faheem Ansari and Sabauddin Ansari.

The 35 wanted accused include high-profile Lashkar-e-Taiba operatives. Kasab was not brought to court because of security concerns. Described as an LeT operative responsible for the conspiracy and the attack on Mumbai, he was charged under nine different laws, including waging war on the government of India under the Indian Penal Code. The other charges are under the Foreigners’ Act, the Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act, the Railways Protection Act, the Explosives Act, the Explosive Substances Act, the Arms Act, the Bombay Police Act and the Customs Act.

Highlights
* The origin of the detonators used in explosives and the AK-47s is still not known
* M V Kuber, in which they entered Mumbai, was not hijacked
* There was no direct local support provided to the 10 terrorists
* After the terrorists landed at Badhwar Park, two took a dinghy to the shore near Oberoi
* There were no phone calls made by the terrorists to any government agency or police for negotiation
* The terrorists made a call to the Israeli embassy from Nariman House but made no demands
* The whereabouts of Al-Husseini in which the terrorists set out from Pakistan are not known

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Indo-Pakistani label in Paris murder angers expatriate Indians

“I take great offence at the use of the term “Indo-Pakistani community” to describe people who are purely Pakistani nationals,” said a caller who identified himself as Naresh.

The Indian community is completely separate from the Pakistani community and the two have nothing in common. We belong to different sovereign countries.”

“Indo-Pakistani” label in Paris murder draws expatriate ire
Vaiju Naravane
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“Paksitanis are giving us a bad name”, say Indian expatriates

The term is meaningless and its use is unfortunate, says journalist
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Paris: French police arrested six Pakistanis, including one woman, after the killing of a French off-duty policeman late Saturday in the Paris suburb of Courneuve. The policeman’s service revolver was found near the garbage bins of the building in which the six Pakistanis live.

However, media — including newspapers, radio and television — citing police sources identified the six arrested people as belonging to the “Indo-Pakistani community”, a term which has angered the Indian community here.

Angry calls
As a result, The Hindu’s office in Paris was flooded with angry calls from the Indian community. “I take great offence at the use of the term “Indo-Pakistani community” to describe people who are purely Pakistani nationals,” said a caller who identified himself as Naresh. “It would be the same if a French or German person arrested in India were to be referred to as belonging to ‘Franco-German or Franco British community’ simply because the two countries happen to be neighbours. The Indian community is completely separate from the Pakistani community and the two have nothing in common. We belong to different sovereign countries.”

A woman caller said: “The Pakistanis here are giving us a bad name. They are involved in all kinds of trafficking and it is suspected that this policeman was in some way linked to an extortion racket with those arrested. We should not be lumped with the Pakistanis simply because we come from roughly the same geographical area.”

Gilles Poux, Communist Mayor of Courneuve, was quoted as saying: “There appeared to be a quarrel between people belonging to the Indo-Pakistani community. Many shops in this busy locality have been bought by members of this community.”

Police authorities in France could not be reached and this reporter was sent back and forth between police headquarters in Paris and La Courneuve.

When contacted, the Indian embassy said it would be taking up the matter with the French Interior Ministry.

Stephane Sellami, a journalist from the Le Parisien newspaper told The Hindu: “I agree the term ‘Indo-Pakistani’ is meaningless and its use is unfortunate. But there seems to be some confusion as to the exact origin of the six arrested persons. Fresh reports indicate that they might be from Sri Lanka. But we have no confirmation yet. The paper has used the term in order to give our readers an idea of the general geographical area to which the suspects belong. But I agree it is not satisfactory and we shall make changes to the copy.”

The circumstances of the policeman’s death remain mysterious and authorities are looking into why the man was in the locality in civilian clothing on his day off while carrying his service revolver.

“The arrested persons are not dangerous criminals. They come from the Sri Lankan or Pakistani milieu and often engage in commercial fraud,” Frederic Lagache, an official from the Alliance policemen’s union told AFP.

Cuisine link
The term “Indo-Pakistani” was coined in France by Pakistani restaurant owners wishing to take advantage of the fame of Indian cuisine. That term has now been extended to the entire sub-continental community encompassing Indians, Pakistanis and Sri Lankans, much to the annoyance of Indians who say both the Sri Lankans and the Pakistanis engage in illegal activities, giving them a bad name.

Bihar legislator calls Muslim RLD MLA ‘Pakistani’ in assembly

Bihar legislator calls Muslim colleague ‘Pakistani’ in assembly
February 25th, 2009 – 9:13 pm ICT by IANS

Patna, Feb 25 (IANS) The Bihar assembly Wednesday witnessed unruly scenes after a ruling party legislator called an opposition Muslim legislator a “Pakistani”.
Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) legislator Ramadhar Singh made the comment against Rashtriya Janata Dal (RJD) legislator Shakeel Ahmad Khan during a discussion after the state budget was presented.

The incident occurred when some RJD Legislators, including Khan, made a remark about L.K. Advani, BJP’s prime ministerial candidate.

“Singh then told Khan that he had no right to say anything because he is a Pakistani,” RJD legislator Shyam Rajak told IANS.

Soon after the comment was made RJD legislators, along with other opposition members, rushed to the well of the house demanding an apology and action against Singh.

Furious RJD legislators said Singh’s remarks had again exposed the “communal politics of BJP”.

Khan, a former minister and now spokesperson of RJD, is considered close to Railways Minister Lalu Prasad and is a known as critic of Chief Minister Nitish Kumar-led coalition government in the state.

Speaker Uday Narayan Choudhary has called for an all-party meet over the incident.

It is not the first time that Singh’s remarks have created furore in the assembly. In 2005, he called former chief minister Rabri Devi as “little educated Rabri’.

Bangladeshis swarming Uttar Pradesh; Alarming report, UP cops finding it tough to act against them

While Bangladeshis are busy populating India, they are at the same time busy depopulating their country of Hindus.  Read  Ethnic Cleansing of Hindus in Bangladesh

UP cops finding it tough to act against Bangladeshis
Feb 24, 2009

Lucknow With majority of the estimated 3.5 lakh Bangladeshi immigrants living in the state “managing” to procure electoral photo identity cards and ration cards, the Uttar Pradesh police is in a fix as to how to deal with the menace.

“Establishing identity of Bangladeshi living in the state is proving to be an uphill task, specially keeping in mind the fact that they have been living here from almost last one to three decades and have also managed to get identification proof of being Indian nationals”, informed official sources.

“During our drive we found electoral photo identity cards, ration cards and others proofs with them. Despite knowing that they are Bangladeshi and living illegally here, we are in a fix as how to deal with the issue,” the sources said.

According to an estimate of the intelligence department, which had carried an extensive drive across the state to identify Bangladeshi immigrants, there are over 3.5 lakh Bangladeshis living in the state, with temple city Varanasi topping the list with around 40,000 immigrants.

This is followed by around 30,000 Bangladeshis each in Aligarh and Ghaziabad, 20,000 each in Meerut and Muzaffarnagar and 25,000 each in Lucknow and Noida, the sources said.

“The population of Bangladeshis is increasing almost every day in the state…As their extradition is a tardy task we are keeping an eye on them”, the sources said.

On the directives of the Supreme Court to identify the Bangladeshi immigrants, the UP police launched a massive exercise in major cities of the state, wherein densely populated areas especially slums were searched extensively and an effort was made to identify those living there.

“But the problem is that majority of the immigrants claim themselves to be residents of Assam, West Bengal and areas adjoining the Indo-Bangladesh border. Cross checking their credentials is difficult as it involves time and manpower”, they said.

“Increasing population of the immigrants in the state capital and other district, including National Capital region is alarming”, the sources said.

From Lucknow only five Bangladeshis were deported in the past one year for living here illegally, official sources said.

When asked Additional Director General of Police (Law and Order) Brij Lal said the department was working on the identification of Bangladeshi immigrants living in the state.

“The intelligence department has some inputs and we are working on it. The department is keeping an eye on their activities and we will ensure that those living illegally in our territory are brought to book”, he said.

3 year Secret India-Pakistan Talks failed

Thank god for small mercies. Any agreement with the terrorist state of Pakistan would only have given jihadists more freedom to terrorize and talibanize Kashmir and rest of India.  There is nothing for India to gain and everything to lose from such talks with  Taliban Pakistan.

Secret India-Pakistan Talks Cited
Journalist’s Account Says Three-Year Kashmir Initiative Failed

By Joby Warrick, Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, February 22, 2009

India and Pakistan engaged in nearly three years of secret, high-level talks that narrowly missed achieving a historic breakthrough in the countries’ decades-old conflict over Kashmir, according to an account set for publication today.

The negotiations, which began in 2004, produced the outlines of an accord that would have allowed a gradual demilitarization of the disputed Himalayan province, a flash point in relations between the rivals since 1947. The effort stalled in 2007, and the prospects for a settlement were further undermined by deadly terrorist attacks on Mumbai in November, the report said.

The peace initiative is described in an article by investigative journalist Steve Coll, who writes in New Yorker magazine that the two sides had “come to semicolons” in their negotiations when the effort lost steam.

The attempt ultimately failed, not because of substantive differences, Coll writes, but because declining political fortunes left Pakistan’s then-president, Pervez Musharraf, without the clout he needed to sell the agreement at home. Although Musharraf fought for the deal — as did Indian leader Manmohan Singh — he became so weakened politically that he “couldn’t sell himself,” let alone a surprise peace deal with Pakistan’s longtime rival, Coll says, quoting senior Pakistani and Indian officials. Musharraf resigned as president in August.

Coll, a former Washington Post managing editor who won a Pulitzer Prize in 2005 for his book “Ghost Wars,” writes that the resolution of the Kashmir dispute was the cornerstone of a broad agreement that would have represented a “paradigm shift” in relations between India and Pakistan: a moving away from decades of hostility to acceptance and peaceful trade.

Under the plan, the Kashmir conflict would have been resolved through the creation of an autonomous region in which local residents could move freely and conduct trade on both sides of the territorial boundary. Over time, the border would become irrelevant, and declining violence would allow a gradual withdrawal of tens of thousands of troops that now face one another across the region’s mountain passes.

“It was huge — I think it would have changed the basic nature of the problem,” the article quoted a senior Indian official as saying. “You would have then had the freedom to remake Indo-Pakistani relations.”

According to Coll’s account, the secret negotiations consisted of about two dozen meetings in hotel rooms in various overseas locations. The sessions revolved around developing a document known as a “non-paper,” diplomatic jargon for a negotiated text that bears no names or signatures and can “serve as a deniable but detailed basis for a deal,” the article says.

The U.S. and British governments were aware of the talks and offered low-key support and advice but otherwise elected to let India and Pakistan settle their disputes unaided, the article says.

“Ultimately, any peace settlement would have to attract support in both countries’ parliaments; if it were seen as a product of American or British meddling, its prospects would be dim,” Coll writes.

Musharraf is portrayed as an enthusiastic supporter of the deal who succeeded in winning converts among the country’s skeptical military leadership. Yet, just as the two countries were beginning to consider how to sell the plan domestically, Musharraf was compelled to seek a delay. In March 2007, as the two capitals were discussing plans for a historic summit, Musharraf became embroiled in a public feud with his country’s highest court. He eventually fired the chief justice, triggering weeks of protests by lawyers and activists.

What was thought to be a temporary setback soon proved to be far more serious. “Rather than recovering, the general slipped into a political death spiral,” culminating in his resignation, Coll said.

Relations — and hopes for resuming the peace initiative — began a downward slide after Musharraf left office. In Kashmir, anti-India fighters began an aggressive campaign of public demonstrations and terrorist attacks that seemed designed, Coll writes, to send a message: “Musharraf is gone, but the Kashmir war is alive.”

In recent weeks, there have been signs of a modest thaw in Indo-Pakistani relations. Last week, The Washington Post reported that Indian and Pakistani spy agencies have been cooperating secretly in India’s investigation of the Mumbai attacks, sharing highly sensitive intelligence, with the CIA serving as arbiter and mediator. Pakistan has announced criminal charges against Pakistan-based men linked to the attack and acknowledged that some of the planning for the three-day assault occurred in that country.

Yet, in the emotionally charged aftermath of the attacks, the new civilian-led government of Pakistan may not find it easy to return to negotiations on Kashmir, even if it wishes to, Coll said.

“The military is completely on board at top levels — with a paradigm shift, to see India as an opportunity, to change domestic attitudes,” a senior Pakistani official was quoted as saying. But, he reportedly added, “the public mood is out of sync.”

Most of 21 Indian Mujahideen accused of terrorism hail from Azamgarh

Feb 18, 2009
Most IM men from Azamgarh
Rahi Gaikwad

MUMBAI: A sizeable number of the 21 Indian Mujahideen men, accused in cases of various blasts in the country and against whom a charge sheet was filed by the Mumbai Crime Branch here in a court on Tuesday, belong to Azamgarh in Uttar Pradesh.

Most of them have are well-qualified professionals. As reflected in the mails, the alleged cause of the terror unleashed refers back to the 2002 pogrom in Gujarat.

The accused have been charged under sections 3 (1) (ii) for offence invoking punishment for not less than five years; 3 (2) for conspiring and abetting an offence; and 3 (4) relating to punishment for being part of an organised crime syndicate, of the Maharashtra Control of Organised Crime Act (MCOCA) 1999.

Sections 295 (A) (damaging a place of worship with intent to insult the religion of any class), 505 (2) (statements conducing public mischief), 507 and 506 (II) (relating to criminal intimidation), 120 (B) (criminal conspiracy), 121 (waging war against the country), 122 (collecting arms for waging war) and 286 (negligent conduct with respect to explosive substances) of the Indian Penal Code have been applied.

Charges under the Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act 1967 the Information Technology Act 2000, and the Arms Act have been slapped.

While the Mumbai police had earlier mentioned the IM’s role in the Mumbai serial train blasts, the charge sheet does not list the Mumbai incident.

The accused named in the charge sheet are: Afzal Mutalib Usmani (32), Mohammed Sadique Shaikh (31), Mohammed Arif Shaikh (38), Mohammed Jakir Shaikh (28), Mohammed Ansar Shaikh Asif Bashir Shaikh (22), Mohamed Mansoor Asgar Peerbhoy (31), Mubin Kadar Shaikh alias Salman (24), Mohamed Atiq Mohamed Iqbal alias Musab (25), Mohamed Akbar Chaudhari alias Saeed (28), Anik Shafiq alias Khalid (27), Majid Akhtar Shaikh alias Nazim (26), Yasir Anis Sayyad alias Hujefa (20), Farooq Sharfuddin Tarqas alias Abdulla (25), Mohammad Ali (44), Javed Ali (19), Ahmed Bawa (33), Mohamed Naushad Sayyad (25), Dustgir Feroz Muzawar alias Afroz alias Munjeeb (25), and Fazal Rehman Durani (23) alias Sallauddin Anwar Abdul Bagwan.